Curse

MasterSasori · May 06, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Without an elite.

Not just without an elite, but consider it an empty slot.

Blkout · May 06, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by yum

In TA, almost every team and their mothers bring Rend.

And if you read my earlier posts in this thread, I said "works well in every area of PvE and some areas of PvP."

Blkout · May 06, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Spike v. 60 AL mesmer = Spike wins

I heard [diversion] was good

. Maybe you should stick with that.

My W/Me IW build works just fine. That's the beauty of the build. Thanks for playing though.

Blkout · May 06, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Tyla

^I'm quite happy with E-Surge on my bar as a source of damage myself.

@Blkout -- I enchant removal your IW. I win.
If your build depends on an enchantment and not something that you can vary before the area and have that damage in your hands at that point, it's a bad build.

Not to mention you've got a huge dent in your survivability as a frontlining squishy, which can't get one of the best skills in the game to his / her disposal for: More pressure, make then sit on the ground and pummel them in, and that includes your entire party to take this advantage.

Nope, remove IW and I can still do quite a bit of damage to you. I'm not talking about a Me/W IW build, I'm talking about a W/Me IW build. I have no love for a Me/W IW build as I've stated in previous posts, I think it's got too many flaws. My W/Me IW build relies on axe mastery to do most of it's damage, IW is just a back-up for certain scenarios and it works very well.

ShadowsRequiem · May 06, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Blkout

My W/Me IW build works just fine. That's the beauty of the build. Thanks for playing though.

You're kidding right? IW on a warrior? all that is doing is screwing you out of a lot of dmg.

LOTS

Tyla · May 06, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Blkout

And if you read my earlier posts in this thread, I said "works well in every area of PvE and some areas of PvP."

So basically what you ment was "RA"?

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My W/Me IW build works just fine. That's the beauty of the build. Thanks for playing though.

W/Me for IW? You obviously are bad at Warrior and Mesmer. Good day.

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Nope, remove IW and I can still do quite a bit of damage to you. I'm not talking about a Me/W IW build, I'm talking about a W/Me IW build. I have no love for a Me/W IW build as I've stated in previous posts, I think it's got too many flaws.

In other words you're wasting attributes in Illusion on your Warrior, when you could be doing more damage with *weapon* mastery and Strength alone? Not to mention reliable Deep Wound, spikes and Bull's Strike.

And how do you build adrenaline? How do you even...keep your energy up?

Edit: And as a side note, your damage doesn't rely on an enchantment when you're using a real build.

Blkout · May 06, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

You're kidding right? IW on a warrior? all that is doing is screwing you out of a lot of dmg.

LOTS

Not kidding, and negative.

Blkout · May 06, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Tyla

So basically what you ment was "RA"?

W/Me for IW? You obviously are bad at Warrior and Mesmer. Good day.

In other words you're wasting attributes in Illusion on your Warrior, when you could be doing more damage with *weapon* mastery and Strength alone? Not to mention reliable Deep Wound, spikes and Bull's Strike.

And how do you build adrenaline?

Obviously bad at everything and bow down to your excellency. Good thing I have you to count after these 3 years of playing. A word of advice though, sometimes you can think outside the box and come up with some great builds, but in the world of cookie cutters and Ursan's maybe you don't realize that.

My primary warrior build uses a Hammer and no IW, but that doesn't mean I don't have a great Axe IW build.

Squishy ftw · May 06, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Blkout

Nope, remove IW and I can still do quite a bit of damage to you. I'm not talking about a Me/W IW build, I'm talking about a W/Me IW build. I have no love for a Me/W IW build as I've stated in previous posts, I think it's got too many flaws. My W/Me IW build relies on axe mastery to do most of it's damage, IW is just a back-up for certain scenarios and it works very well.

Show us this awesome build please.

I'm very interested.

Tyla · May 06, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

I don't run Ursan, or cookie-cutters. (Maybe Sabway, but sometimes I feel lazy. Laziness doesn't contribute to any argument, so don't start making more attacks.) And I use things that work very well. (BHA + Epidemic, since I mostly go Ranger.)

Just a question though, how is a Warrior depending on an enchantment better than a Warrior who deals a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO load more damage, reliable deep wounds and utility and has a secondary profession open for use?

And yeah, come up with a valid argument as of why your build is so good, don't just say "Think outside the box, you might learn something."

And yeah, you should go in this box instead of making some weak build, thinking it's awesome and making invalid arguments as to why. You're entitled to thinking it's good, but when it comes down to a discussion your arguments are moot.

Stormlord Alex · May 06, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

IW is bad and this thread is silly.

Warriors do big damage.
[illusionary [email protected]] is not big damage. It's pathetic.

All Blkout is really proving is that 3 years of playing don't make you good. Time to bring in the catpics?

Tyla · May 06, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I love you sometimes Alex.

You should spam me with Ensign's quote sometime, along with some cat pictures.

isamu kurosawa · May 06, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Time to bring in the catpics?

After the W/Me comment i guess we have no choice.

Wyat Hawke · May 06, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

Show us this awesome build please.

I'm very interested.

Yes please, we'll bow down for you then.

Yeah, bring in the cats...

Stormlord Alex · May 06, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Tyla

along with some cat pictures.

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

After the W/Me comment i guess we have no choice.

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Originally Posted by Wyat Hawke

Yeah, bring in the cats...

The people have spoken.

Go on, I wann see this awesome build too!

Hugh Manatee · May 06, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

IW is bad and this thread is silly.

Warriors do big damage.
[illusionary [email protected]] is not big damage. It's pathetic.

Warriors do big damage when they use attack skills, and aren't dirty with hexes, conditions, or being countered by blocking or other defensive measures.

IW Does constant armor ignoring pressure damage(it's like standing in an AoE spell, but having it chase you around, KD, snare, and degen you), that can't be blocked, blinded, mitigated by standard anti melee hexes, and ignores common prots like SB, prot spirit or guardian, and forces monks to waste energy to burst heal. It's comming from a target that's hard to kill, has snares, degen, interrupts, and can only be truly stopped by mass enchant stripping.

I've never seen a necro with rend enchants in any arena, only occasionally corrupt enchants and other single strips and only gaze of contempt on offense in fort aspenwood. If they do have rend, ask a monk to prot you out the ass and watch it die, and if they're wasting rend on your they aren't focusing on other more 'important' enchants keeping your allies alive. AND make sure IW gets cast in a weapon set that has optimal cast/recharge chances so if it gets stripped it's available again.

Bottom line, if the player knows what he's doing, IW is a potent skill to have on your bar. It will pose a serious threat to foes not prepared to rip a stack of enchants.

Tyla · May 06, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Bottom line, if any competent player on the other side used their brains and brought something sexy called "Enchantment Removal", gg to all your DPS.

And Warriors deal big damage, up to 62 on a squishy with a vamp weapon with no attack skills.
What weapon mastery are you running, below 14?

(By the way, hexes such as Faintheartedness cripple the DPS of IW too. <3)

(Also, if you read Blkout's posts he mentioned he used it on a Warrior aswell, DOUBLE BAED AMIRITE??)

MagmaRed · May 06, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Blkout

Nope, remove IW and I can still do quite a bit of damage to you. I'm not talking about a Me/W IW build, I'm talking about a W/Me IW build. I have no love for a Me/W IW build as I've stated in previous posts, I think it's got too many flaws. My W/Me IW build relies on axe mastery to do most of it's damage, IW is just a back-up for certain scenarios and it works very well.

An elite that requires significant attribute points to be effective as a back-up?

Stormlord Alex · May 06, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

Bottom line, if the player knows what he's doing, he won't be using IW in the first place

Fix'd for accuracy.

Blkout · May 07, 2008, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I don't run Ursan, or cookie-cutters. (Maybe Sabway, but sometimes I feel lazy. Laziness doesn't contribute to any argument, so don't start making more attacks.) And I use things that work very well. (BHA + Epidemic, since I mostly go Ranger.)

Just a question though, how is a Warrior depending on an enchantment better than a Warrior who deals a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO load more damage, reliable deep wounds and utility and has a secondary profession open for use?

And yeah, come up with a valid argument as of why your build is so good, don't just say "Think outside the box, you might learn something."

And yeah, you should go in this box instead of making some weak build, thinking it's awesome and making invalid arguments as to why. You're entitled to thinking it's good, but when it comes down to a discussion your arguments are moot.

It appears you didn't read any of my prior posts on the subject of IW. In a nutshell, I think it sucks trying to make it work as a Me/W. I did however say that it's viable on a W/Me using an axe... not a sword, and not a hammer. Never ONCE did ever say the W/Me build relied on IW, I explained that it was a utility skill to use in certain scenarios and works well within those scenarios. The build is based on axe damage attacks with adrenaline skills instead of energy skills. Of course you can't build adrenaline while under the effects of IW and this build doesn't attempt to or need to. This build is not an all out 16 spec axe damage build but certainly does plenty of damage without IW. Again, IW is used in this build as a utility for specific situations. This is the major difference between a W/Me and a Me/W IW build, the warrior doesn't have the armor disadvantage of the Mesmer and the warrior can rely on an actual melee weapon instead of the only damage coming from IW. So even if IW were to get stripped during a scenario use, you can always fall back to reliable axe attacks.

With your attitude, I'm really not motivated to explain anything to you since it's pretty obvious you think you know everything already. You can't teach anyone that thinks they know it all already. Unfortunately you're not alone and there are many others like you on this forum which really brings the quality down since people like yourself thrive on trying to make yourselves feel superior, when you're really no better than anyone else here.